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BOB: Not that she lacked experience, but that she had never had intercourse and didn’t want to. She told us different things at different times so it’s hard to know just what her story was.

CAROL: She said she was built too small to accommodate a male organ. That she was abnormally small. She put that in a letter. Another time she said something about having a muscular condition that made her tighten up immediately at the mere thought of intercourse.

BOB: Carol had the idea that she wasn’t a virgin at all.

CAROL: My guess is that someone raped her when she was just a child and it was a trauma for her, and she was deathly afraid of having anything inside her ever after. Because she made that an absolute rule before she would set up a date with us. Nothing inside her, not in front or in back either, not so much as a finger.

BOB: I thought from her letters — we corresponded with her for quite awhile before we got together with her — I thought she might have a dislike of penises in general. That she was more of a lesbian than a bisexual but she wanted to go with men, too, because she didn’t want to face the fact that she was all the way gay.

CAROL: If she hated penises, I’d hate to see someone who loved them.

BOB: Oh, that’s the truth. She was a born cocksucker and couldn’t get enough of it. She would take it all the way to the hilt, you know, and that always struck me as pretty strange. I mean that she wouldn’t let anything into her anywhere else, but that she could take it clear down to the back of her throat without gagging.

CAROL: And never spilled a drop, either.

BOB: She had a way of using the muscles in her throat that was out of this world. Just unbelievable. I can still remember how it felt.

CAROL: It’s a shame you couldn’t be watching yourself while she was Frenching you. The expressions on your face, you were something to see.

BOB: We were planning a trip to New York, so we made arrangements to stop in Philadelphia and spend some time with her. She was a secretary to a lawyer and lived by herself in a pretty nice apartment. She wasn’t as young as you would have expected. The idea of her being a virgin, we immediately got the impression of someone who wasn’t much more than a kid, but I would say she was about twenty-five.

CAROL: Maybe older than that. It was hard to tell her age, and while she said she was twenty-four I think she may have been taking off a few years. You might be surprised how many swingers will do that, especially when they get past thirty-five. The nicest people are honest that way, but a lot of them think they have to lie a few years or so in order to get in on the action.

BOB: Of course before we could set up a date with her we had to agree absolutely to her conditions. This didn’t bother me a bit, and of course it made no difference at all from Carol’s point of view. To tell the truth, we were both more than a little intrigued. The idea that she was a virgin was something new. And there’s no denying that novelty has a lot to do with what pleasure you get out of swinging.

CAROL: It’s not the whole thing, though. That’s the impression you get reading some of those books. In one of your books, Jack, you have this couple that tries everything and everything will be exciting to them at the beginning, and then each thing gets boring to them, until they run out of things that are new to them and they wind up getting out of swinging altogether. Now I didn’t think that was realistic from what we’ve experienced.

JWW: It happens in certain cases.

CAROL: I’m sure it must, and I know that might get people into swinging, but it’s not what keeps them there. There’s novelty in the different people but there are also things that you can’t have in a relationship with just two people, and those things do stay satisfying.

JWW: That’s generally true, but there are certain people who are just hooked on novelty, and of course they’re so constituted that they can never be satisfied over an extended period of time.

CAROL: Well, I can see how that would be true in certain cases, where it’s people with a problem in that respect. But it must be rare.

BOB: As far as that goes, honey, think how many one-timers there are.

CAROL: Yes, that’s true. That must be more or less of the same thing.

One-timers, we meet them all the time but it’s more common with couples than with the bisexual girls we swing with nowadays. Of course a couple may say they are one-timers after you’ve been with them as a polite way of explaining why they would as soon not swing with you again, rather than coming out and saying they didn’t enjoy it. We have done that ourselves. The genuine one-timer is a couple that announces it in advance and never repeats. Some people call them collectors because they approach the whole thing that way, wanting to collect as many other couples as they can.